Vanilla Zombie Mod Server? (FUCKING IMPORTANT)

[Natalya]

Uhh so like the ZM we got now is crazy with activity and shit from being no-steamed, but ever since I did that back in November it has caused much contention with the regular players on the server because they hate the Koreans and all the rule breakers. Furthermore the server has some minor glitches with Source Mod's admin recognition which, although manageable, have been annoying for me to constantly attend to.

Now personally I have next to no respect for the opinions of any of the regular players on there (or even the admins) when it comes to the Koreans and the no-steaming because I spent about 6 months almost entirely on my own trying to populate the server and failed miserably. No one else put a quarter of the time into idling in there and inviting people to play there or any other sort of activity to get the server going each day as I did, so I do seriously lack respect for the opinions of players who, now that it is popular, go in there and don't like something about it pertaining to the no-steam (such as that they hate the Koreans) since they would not even be in the server if I hadn't done that. However, with that said, I can see that most everyone has turned against me on the matter so despite my general lack of respect for them on the grounds of, "Well I did all the fucking work and you never helped so why should I listen to you?" I nonetheless find that I am forced to consider some options...


The Options:
(I don't know if these are plausible within the scope of N/U, but I will list them anyway in order of my preference for them.)


A: Best option IMO -- Merge with Ghoul and have his server become part of N/U as a vanilla ZM server. I won't go into details here though because Pasties really doesn't (and with good reason) like this plan.

B: Create a second N/U ZM server, but which is not no-steamed. I saw first hand that a regular ZM server on its own is unable to survive, at least in this community, but I think that if we had a regular and the no-steam, the no-steam would help to populate the regular. The no-steam one fills up for long parts of the day, and can be kinda ridiculous with all the Koreans and rule breakers at night who turn it into a cesspool. I personally like this, but everyone else hates it so if we had 2 ZM's they'd have options. The basic idea is that the new ZM would be populated by regulars from the current one who could go into the current and ask their friends to go to the new one if it was crowded or whatever. I personally would not be very involved in this new server because I like the one we've got all ready as it is, but many others don't. It would be run by Random.Hero and Vit. However I would be the tech person who takes care of it when it has issues. Problem with this is that we'd have to scrap another server or something to make it. I don't entirely know what this would entail, but Sios does.

C: Reduce [KOR] hours. This is fairly straight-foreward; I'd simply keep the ping limit restricted for a longer portion of the night. However, Koreans aren't the only problem on ZM, so I don't think this would solve everything.

D: Second-Worst Option IMO -- Ban the country of Korea. I am very very very opposed to this, but Random wants it done, as do more than half of the other admins. If this is to be done then Sios will have to do it because I'm not just gonna ban a country. This also sucks because again it doesn't solve all of ZM's problems.

E: Worst Option IMO -- Re-steam ZM. If no one helped populate it when it had steam in the past, then why the fuck would they populate it now? I'm 100% convinced that it will die if we do this. I don't feel like saying more here.


Okay so that's all I've got here. Sorry for the drama but most everyone's against me so something has to be done.

[JinkoNeko]

It does get rather frustrating at times, but lately we have had admins on a fair amount imo. Or at least when I first came around here. Though if something must be done I guess options b and c would be the more balance i think anyway. The minor stuff is well imo just minor. I find all the interesting mods and such added on or tested quite entertaining and fun. Though things like the special mods such as flamethrower or the ump wpn etc should be restricted to certain user groups imo even if kept secret to avoid random people spamming once one random person joins finds out and blabbs it. Like that night with the ump, it was cool and fun to use moderately. Then a lot of the koreans found out and found the need to hold the trigger down the whole time as no enemy in sight and lag then crash the server and end that deal. I'm personally actually here and still stayin cause I find it enjoyable here and the dull repetition that follows a server or game like this is reallly gone with the fun interesting mods that are being added or tested really.

[DoT]

I know your including me in that group of people who's opinions you don't respect. But I'm not gonna lie nat, after reading that update post when you no-steamed zm, I saw how you labeled each month and showed each month had no progression at all, I felt bad. So i reconsidered and I realized the only reason I'm an admin, and I'm playing in N/U as is everyone else, is because of your work. Therefore I solemnly swear not to question whatever decision you make. I would also like you to know I am with the N/U Zombie Mod Server no matter what decision you make.

In my opinion (That of which you disrespect) I would like to see A or B happen. The thought of 2 ZM servers is just like seeing an abandoned lot that you could turn into a mini mall or something big. I would just like to know (If I'm allowed) would the server be identical to the old one? Cuz i don't think any changes are needed to all the mods in the current ZM.

Although I'd like to see one of these happen, I would not be hurt nor would i turn against you or N/U if you made a different decision. You probably don't get this enough - Thanks Nat ;)

[george]

D - Those Korean's really get on my nerves Nat. Get rid of em... see how it goes.
btw dont do C because it will restrict [KOR] but also other people like me (UK) and i regularly get kicked at night for ping :S
and i hope u like my opinion as a BIG fan ;p

[JinkoNeko]

D - Those Korean's really get on my nerves Nat. Get rid of em... see how it goes.
btw dont do C because it will restrict [KOR] but also other people like me (UK) and i regularly get kicked at night for ping :S
and i hope u like my opinion as a BIG fan ;p

Rather selfish on that isn't it, to not side with one which may help the server. Yet rather choose to favor one which would affect a whole country because of your personal preferences...

[Sajora]

leave the server like it is.
we got a lot of admins now that play a fucking lot in there and in my opinion we are used to them now. just my opinion. if they dont follow the rules u can ban them.
and just think one thing: if there werent all the koreans that are shitty at zm, would our ranks rly that good? were we rly able to go for a 20-0 score? i dont think we were.
i know they can be annoying as hell but just kick/ban.
if we start another zm server for regs it will die soon. it would be empty when i get on my comp cause its night for most of you. and when it gets "full" i bet theres a max of 10 player in there. 5 of them would be admins and there wont be any admins in our normal zm server then.
and be honest guys, u know the regs know good and gay spots where its hard to reach them. do you rly want to have a server like that? every1 in gay spots? just 10 players?
i know some of the players are statwhores and they wouldnt be in the top10 without their korean kills.
so just leave the server like it is. im used to the koreans now and if they break the rules ill kick/ban them. thats my job as an admin.

Saj.

[unrealtaco]

dont change the server, right now as it is the koreans are being handeled by the mass amount of admins i havent seen the server in the past week without an admin on it.

[Natalya]

So i reconsidered and I realized the only reason I'm an admin, and I'm playing in N/U as is everyone else, is because of your work. Therefore I solemnly swear not to question whatever decision you make.

No your opinion is important too.

@Sajora & Unreal:
Problem isn't the [KOR]s, it's people complaining about the [KOR]s and thereby pissing off some of the other admins & Random (probably Vit too) who (quite understandably) don't like to hear bad shit about the server from the players.

[Jackd]

I have no opinion because I do not play zombie even know I should and I get constantly hounded to get my ass in there but anyways my views in this quick statement I'm about to make do not reflect N/U in anyway! LOL!

I just think it's cool that we can possibly ban a whole country from playing our servers!! tt556)


On a serious note, Before Nat no steamed Zombie she was the only one constantly sitting in spec and trying to get people to join and play. Zombie was a ghost town. No one else really did anything to help out.

So what ever the decision is regardless, Nat you do a great job with the Zombie server and I just wanted to point that out.

Thanks!

[JinkoNeko]

Well ya I am pretty much always on when I do log on and end up goin through the night too even if i end up afk and jus specing while multitasking. There are other admins that get on and off a lot also, I really rarely find lately that I'm the only one on during normal hours which is nice. It's only korean hours that end up I see only the korean admins if they come on the majority of the time. Though I do know from having booted a good amount of troublesome stubborn koreans who wouldnt take a hint that there are a fair amount of other english complacent players that would join and end up playing a while during those times as long as they saw a fair balance amount of koreans and english players it seems.

[unrealtaco]

i had an epic long comment but im not gonna bother posting it because the decision is ultimately up to the higher ups on the server,, i just dont wanna see the server die again because i rather enjoy playing on zm

-takko

[JinkoNeko]

Hmm, I must be on crack right now but anyway. Do the reserved slots work on the server atm? Perhaps a lesser option to test out if something must be done could be that, during korean hours set the server to allow people with steam id's to get in the server via reserved slots and boot a non steam player out for them. This might be an interesting option which would be less drastic and possible to help a bit to slowly change things if change need be done. Though if res slots don't work period still, then that would be a shame. =/

[DoT]

Hmm, I must be on crack right now but anyway. Do the reserved slots work on the server atm? Perhaps a lesser option to test out if something must be done could be that, during korean hours set the server to allow people with steam id's to get in the server via reserved slots and boot a non steam player out for them. This might be an interesting option which would be less drastic and possible to help a bit to slowly change things if change need be done. Though if res slots don't work period still, then that would be a shame. =/

What would be the point in reserve/VIP slots then -_-
I vote on letting our superiors announce their thoughts, etc.
Dot shall sit back, and continue with N/U even if there are changes that aren't the best.

[Natalya]

I don't think they work right now.

[kamikaze_bad_ass]

ok guy's my 2 cents and i promise not too make it long like some know i'm famous for

first i have personally seen all of nat's hard work and deication into the zm server along with the other servers and the forums and making new maps and models so i know how hard ya work and your normally up very late ( till 2 or 3 sometimes ) and nat i do remember how the server was before the change cause i was there tring to help to the best of my abilty's altou i will agree that i didn't do as much as you cause of reasons we both know about ( i won't disclose here but nat should know what i mean )

second even thou i fougth you like tooth and nails buot this at first i have come to realize that even thou i hate the annoing koreans that are trouble makers that if not for them and the other non- steam players we would either be dead in the water or hanging on for dead life to keep the server up and running

third with that said i personally am in agreement with dot on this one
Nat, Random, Vit, Sio And Pasties and possabilty Sajoria should have this desion to themselves to decide amougs themselfs cause they are the ones that contrubie the most time , energy and resourses into this server and community as a whole and even thou i might not like the outcome i will deal with and accept it
but i wil add this one comment options A and D are bad ideas in my option
i don't need to explain why a is A bad idea
but option D I agree with nat that no matter how bad or retarded th koreans can be in no way should we revolke there rights to play cause that almost like the holcoust for germans or the slavery and civil rights in america
IT'S NOT RIGHT

KAMIS 2 CENTS

P.S LITTLE UPDATE ON ME MY COMP IS STILL IN PROCESS OF BEING REBUILT HAD TO ORDER A NEW CPU FAN FROM NEWWEGG SINCE CRAPPIE ONE THAT CAME WITH PROCESSOR WON'T WORK
SOULD HAVE IT BACK SOMETIME THIS WEEKEND
I',M ON A LIBRAY COMP ATM

[RandomHero]

After reading the posts here, I feel that we should just keep ZM how it is.

However, i would like one thing looked into....
Seeing as we are now full nearly 24/7...
Maybe we could get some more player slots?
thoughts?

[Natalya]

Player Slot history:

- We had 40
- Bandwidth costs led Sios to drop ZM to 30 in January
- A week or 2 ago he upped it to 40 again
- Some admins found it too insane so I asked Sios to drop it down again, so now it's 32

Part of the problem was that some maps are fine with 30 but with 40 they lag real bad. Retribution is the most stark example, but it also happens on Atix Helicocksucker. WTFHax also gets a bad start-up lag when it's 40.

[RandomHero]

okay then. It'll stay exactly as it is.

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