What Money Can't Buy...

[CMAC]

Not to be a glory whore, or claim anything for my own, but here are a few facts about me:

- I have served this community for over 5 years.
- I have created the map that made this community boom about 3-4 years ago and even though it is not played today, i hear from people nearly daily about how successful it was.
- I even came up with the name for this community; I named my map cs_office_unlimited... soon after the community adopted the name for itself.

Now, after all of that service, it is not enough to the so called "Owners" of this community. A few days ago i, as well as many others who served this community got literally kicked out, striped of admin and given the choice to donate that cold hard cash or no longer serve this community.

As i said, it is not just me who this happened to, you may recognize some of these 5 and 6+ year old names such as Kravin, Scubahood, Maltykill, Thunder, and many more.

I can understand and appreciate the need for cash donations to keep the servers alive, but does that make my hard work and time worthless?.. it seems to be the case. So, if I were to donate or not, removing my admin and preventing me from serving the community helps or hurts? Its clear to me that Pasties removed my admin with the intent to manipulate me into donating money. I am truly disgusted with this act, and felt this story should be shared with the real owners of this community, that is all of you.

- C M A C

[siosios]

why are you so special, other then creating a map, that you shouldnt follow in the other admins shoes?

im not being biased but unless the server donations goal is met the whole community goes down not just one server.

ps: ranting at me when it was pasties decision to pull non paying admins powers was something i least expected from you after the shit that went on a few yrs back.

im not going to comment any further in this topic becuase all the admin donations things are about to stop anyways and we will leave it up to fate if this community stays up or down.

sio

[AwpsandKnives]

I am not bad mouthing you personally cmac, I really like you, I love your map. But there are some of us who put a fuckload of work into this comunity, and have nothing to show for it. We still donate time and money, we may not make maps, and may have not been here the whole time. I know things are being restructerd, but it annoys me that everyone thinks that they deserve something, just for being part of the community. This shit won't just stay together becuase we polulate it, and make maps. It requires money as well. By all means we need people like you cmac, and we want to keep everyone gaming with us, but the lack of money cuased, some stress, and ultimately the decision, that everyone who did not donate, would lose admin. How are we to treat certain people diffrent? Not that you shouldn't have admin, I beleive you should, but tight funds, and losing everything, is more important than one persons admin, no matter who that is. but after all the ranting I understand, and hope what siosios/pasties, are doing to change things makes everything better. And I hope to game with you soon
-SKT

[CMAC]

im by no means saying im the only one who does shit, but i am saying.. i have donated a crap load of my time and yet i am being treated differently than those who pay a few bucks a month.
you know whats funny, i talked to pasties and sio the day before my admin was taken away about becoming a jrowner on here... then the next day pasties says well u pay or lose admin... clearly, he was trying to force me to start paying even though i just talked to him about it the previous day.

as i said before im not tryign to be a glory whore or pretend to be something im not.. but when this place started sooo many years ago.. i will easily say that i had a lot to do with its success. when we had that unlimited server going.. huge fuckin server, full every night. it was a great time and anyone who was around back then knows it was.
maybe my last post makes this seem like im some kid whos pissed about losing admin, or cant afford to donate. neither of these are true, im not one of the people who goes on there and talks in green chat trying to feel powerful and shit, thats what nub admins do, i go on there and keep the fuckin server running smoothly, i know what hackers look like because i have hacked, i know what to look for, i know the rules. so removing me from that position does exactly what? one less experienced person to take care of business.

the bit that gets me is how i was ready to start donating money, i told pasties and sio i was going to.. told them that on my own without them asking or anything, then the next day pasties says hes removing my admin? did he expect me to fucking get down on my knees and fuckin throw money at him after he basically said pay or lose admin. thats a fucking slap in teh face after working so hard, putting so much fucking time into this shit.
anyone who fucking does anything here can vouch for that, how would you feel after months of work, and years of service suddenly mean nothing?
...exactly.

so fuckin call me a glory whore or bitch about me sounding conceded.
this place would not be the n00b unlimited it is today with out c m a c. period. So if you are fucking ready to lose that kind of person, then fuck you.

this isnt just about me makign a map sio, where you even around back when that shit was hot? you cant judge if im special for makign that map or not. my point is, that map put NU on the fuckin map. take that as you wish.

[Sajora]

well let me say this first. i know you have been around here since this community started. and yes you have made an awesome map which helped to make NU what it is today. and i can understand what your saying somehow but why starting this crap here now? if u can donate why didnt you just say ill do it tomorrow or something. dont you think it would be a bit unfair if you get free admin just cause uve been around here since this community exists and made a map for it?
just look at natalya. hell i duno how many maps she made for zm. and she has been around since forever. and shes doing much more than you. shes adding and removing maps to servers, she writes plugins and everything, she does so much. and is she asking for free admin? no shes not
i know i havent been around from the beginning on but not much later than that. ive spend a lot of time playing in the NU servers. and since i became an admin here i spend a lot of money. i just checked it. december 2007 was my first month as an admin. since then i donated 515€ which is like 730$ after the recent exchange rate. hell thats a lot of money for me and id be a happy man if i could have that here now. but i donate cause this is the best community in my opinion. i dont want to see it die. i try to do my best to keep the servers going as good as possible, i get in the servers when some1 wants me to come in even when im playing a different game. i just want the best for this community. and since donating is one of the things that kept this community alive i just did it.
once again i duno why ur starting all this here but i can understand you somehow. but yea i just wanted to give out my 2 cents.

and no im not trying to get in any1s ass to make myself look good.

[siosios]

first conversation with cmac:
Conversation started between siosios and |w0rd|C-MAC: Sun, Nov 26 19:06:15 2006

bad referance but fpsbanana shows the map added 2 years ago:
FPSBANANA > Maps > CS:S > Hostage Rescue > cs_office_unlimited_fixed (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/41103)

personally i dont care cmac your tossing this on me like i did it to you but every other admin here does more then you have in the last 2 yrs for this community.

name one thing youve done here in the last 6 months that has benifited the comunity as a whole? (being an admin doesnt count)

as for me ive done nothing but work on n00bunlimited in its entirety from before the date i talked to you listed above and until a year ago I DID IT ALONE!

so who has done more for everyone... you with 2 - 3 maps of the same office? or me with the multiple servers and changes and requests daily to add things or remove things?

i think i win on that count. you want to challenge me with comments like:

Monday, July 20, 2009
2:17 PM - c м д c: you guys are fucked you know that
2:17 PM - c м д c: i fucking coem up with the name for this god damn community, but because i didnt donate cold ahrd cash im nothing?
2:18 PM - c м д c: fuck you bitches
2:18 PM - c м д c: i donated my fucking time and creativity into this fuckin place
2:18 PM - c м д c: fuckin think about
c м д c is now Offline.

when im the one has done the majority of the work when it comes to how things run around here.

even natalya has contributed more then your ass yet you still strive to antagonize me with your whining when pasties does something to you. pathetic is all i have to say

go make your maps else where bud i think im done with you for sure this time. pasties made me chat with you so you could get unbanned and what not for past history, but not this time becuase this time i had nothing to do with it and you still drug my name into it

see ya
siosios

[Natalya]

All I've learned here is that the past participle of drag is drug. >_>

I'm not gonna say anything particular about this though because I have my own bones to chew.

[rjk83]

I wouldn't want to be part of a community that bows down to people that try to throw themselves around like this. I don't know your story, and I don't know you. But I know a lot of the admins on here put a tremendous amount of hours and work and money into keeping these servers alive and fun. This is a community. It's not one person. I wasn't here but I will tell you without a doubt that this community didn't start from one person or one map. This is one of the best communities out there as well as some of the best servers out there and it's personally insulting to me that you are upset about being asked to donate?

Sorry if I'm butting my nose where it doesn't belong, but this is a community of a couple Owners that put a lot of time into the servers/forums, a few great map makers and server monkeys, and about 70 other admins that are happy to donate their time and money to keeping the community up since they enjoy the community so much. Again, sorry but this pisses me off, it's a community and not one guy and no matter how hard you try, one person won't be able to build and keep a community like this.

[DoT]

Shouldnt this be in the admin section?

[NoogyMan]

I don't know why i'm even bothering but hell here it goes.... Cmac... man...... your being a dumb fucked retard. Like Sajora said why bitch on here when you could, you know, PAY and have fun instead of bitch about maps and you and creating and 6 years of your life and you know, you make it seem like your admin was stolen from a hacker or something. NOPE.... you haven't paid for it where as others have! I mean in your opinion as to why you should have your admin back there would be people making maps 24/7 just to have admin and well that doesn't help much because without the money THERE WILL BE NO SERVER TO PUT THE FUCKING MAP{s} ON.

but on a brighter note Nat is right its drug.

[siosios]

Shouldnt this be in the admin section?

nope

[NoogyMan]

This on thing is about Cmac not being admin anymore and Dot if Cmac isn't an ADMIN anymore he can't possiably finish bitching about him being the back bone of this server *Cough*Cough*Bullshit*Cough*Cough*. Sorry about that, must have caught a piece of lint in my throat. So obviously it shouldn't be in ADMIN chat because then Cmac couldn't respond post or what not....

[DoT]

All hes doing is ranting the community and owners to gain a sense of feeling sorry for him. We all pay because we love the servers and we want the servers to stay alive. Its as simple as that, if you want the servers to stay alive and its convenient for you to donate, then do so. All your doing is bad mouthing the community and owner staff, none of which is necessary nor effective in this pity act your pulling.

Its as simple as:
You like the servers and want to donate to help them, or not.

Simple, to the point, wallah!

And sio i just felt it should because of all the bashing and ranting. Your call boss.

[SmurfSniper]

ive made maps, dots made maps, nats made maps.... who else has made a map here? my fucking point.... who gives a shit what map you made... you are no more special than the next guy... all your doing in this post is making a fuckin ass of yourself by whining and bitching because your admin was taken cause your not donating... guess what it shouldve been taken a long damn time ago... there have been so many great admins that lose it cause they cant afford it anymore but they all understand it takes money to keep the community alive (me being one) and if you "hack" you dont even need to play the game just uninstall.
I appologize if anyone thinks I am an ass.... but you dont own the rights to the server, or name, and the map yea you made it but I havent seen it played hardly at all in the last year and if Im not mistaken office unlimited isnt even a server anymore....

...... this has pissed me off I am going to just stop now

[NoSympathy]

You do not "love" this community because you donate. I won't say CMAC has done anything to earn his keep. In fact I will say that he has done nothing aside from making a map. I don't however agree with having to pay to be an admin...many people have left because of that. I personally would never have had admin if I was required to pay. Pasties offered it to me because I have been in this community for a very long time.
I'm not defending CMAC in anyway, but I don't agree with stripping him of admin. I'm sure if I hadn't given mine up a few months ago, I would have also been stripped.

[CMAC]

LOL its as if you all just getting defensive without even reading everything im saying.
i have not claimed to do more work than anyone else, i have not compared myself to anyone else, i even said up front im not trying to take the glory.

something else i have not said, i made a good map so i should be able to serve the community because of that.

all the forum whores that are here bitching at me are doing so because they all donate. try reading my argument instead of just getting defensive and speaking out your biased bullshit.

what i said, in a quick summary: i made a map years ago that in kravin's words "made this community explode"

thats what i fucking did for this community. you can talk about oh well nat puts out maps or whoever else does this and that. im not here to downplay anything that sio does or anyone who puts time into this.

the reason im not donating is because i was seriously considering it, then the next day pasties removes me admin and trys to manipulate me into paying. if i were to donate it would be because i wish to, not because i need to be forced into it after serving as an admin for 5 or 6 years.

so all the SmurfSnipers, the Noogyman's who want to talk shit and say oh well other ppl make maps duh duh... claiming to be the backbone of the community duh duh... try reading and stop coming up with your own conclusions. like 90% of you were not even here, including siosios, when i did my work. so dont try to judge me when you dont even know whats going on.

and sio, i thought that was yours and pasties combined decision to suddenly drop admin from us. if that is not the case then im sorry for attacking you on steam.

[Mac Taylor]

so if this map was so good why was the server that hosted it taken down?

and i can see where cmac comes from. i mean if that map made the community what it is like he says. then doesnt that mean because of him making a map that was always full didnt he bring in the people that donate today?

but then again iv also help run 2/3 communties and i know where pasties and sios are coming from where they need donations when u got a number of servers and cant pay for it ur self.

and the servers can only run if donations are made so ima have to say even tho u out hard work into the server cmac by making a map and spending time on the server moniteriing it or w/e nothing beats out donations

[TiberianSun]

[QUOTE=Mac Taylor;17177]so if this map was so good why was the server that hosted it taken down?


what goes up must come down my friend

[myst]

[QUOTE=Mac Taylor;17177]so if this map was so good why was the server that hosted it taken down?

Lol,this made teh frenchie laugh.

[CMAC]

i totally agree that donations are important, im not saying they arnt.. as i said i was going to donate until pasties so abruptly put me into a position of paying for admin after 5 or 6 years. thats bs.

you know.. if you guys dont believe me when i say that map, that server is this community's roots.. ask sio or pasties why we kept that server sitting empty for like 2+ years. i am not against removing that server, it was empty.. it should have been gone long ago... in fact there are far too many empty servers right now, or nearly empty servers. i think the ultimate solution to this money issue is to downsize. Now it isnt really a downsize, its just removing about half of the servers the community has simply because they are empty, less servers, a lower performance box, less money per month?

[ORGANDONOR]

I have been here just as long as c-man i been here be for siosios. That was the first map i played on when i came here it is its roots. It has been here since this place has started. I was really up set to see it go but it was empty. But c-man i know you for a long time now man and im not saying you didnt make this server what it was and im not saying you wasnt. But there are a lot of ppl in here that are admin and Jr. Owners and regs. that have made this place what it is today even though it is falling apart right now. But by you saying and doing what your doing is makeing you look like an ass. i love you to death but your only making your self look bad. As for pasties removeing your admin after you telling him you where going to donate that was wrong and shoudnt have been done but you should have to pay like all of us do. As a jr Owner i spent a lot of time in Gun Game cleaning it up and making it a better server and i dont care if i did it with help or if i didnt because i didnt everyone in here has helped make this place what it is. I know your upset and hurt over what has happend but we all do are part so should we pay yes we should we love what we do we love the servers so we keep them alive by doing so. I hope you doint get ban or you dont leave over something this dumb but there is a biger pic. then you or me or anyone else thats the servers because with out them we wouldnt be here talking about stupid shit like this.



╬HEADSHOTS R FATAL╬
╬ORGANDONOR╬

[pasties]

First off - I did not remove Maltykills, scubahoods admin - they are Owners.
The admins that i did remove: cmac, kravin, vit, thunder, niceguy(my brother).
Now, you must understand, that these four have been with me from the start of N|U. I love them all. They have all had free admin, since the very start of nu. The only reason i never asked them to donate is because they were here since the very start and helped me personally everyday look after these servers. This back then was a very hard job... and shit they did a very good job at doing it. Including cmac making Office_Unlimited...which in all good ways was a major aspect in us becoming "popular". This was not the only reason, we had good servers, good admins ... etc..


I have had complaints about some admins not having to pay before, and pretty much told the admins who complained...that that was the way it was...and if they didnt like it, it was too bad. They did not drop there admin then and there, but within two weeks they both removed there admin.


If we did not come up with some money then no one was going to have admin. So, sio and I were thinking of ways to cut some costs, which included dropping the vent server, removing hlstats from all server(replacing with anohter stat system) bla bla bla. So, I mentioned to sio that i was going to remove all admin that had free admin, I didnt want to do it, but it seemed the best thing for the community at the time.

So, first i told cmac, that i was going to have to remove his admin, if he wasnt able to donate $20.00 monthly. now...I thought that this was not going to be a big deal as he had a steady job and loved nu as much as i did, this was not the case...he pretty much told me that, since he asked about jr owner the night before( which i had forgotten about) that i was trying to manipulate him into paying, which was not the case. He basically called me a liar and i told him to fuck off. He later removed me from his steam friends(which i have had him on for 5 years).

Next i went to thunder, told him pretty much the same thing...he told me that he couldnt help atm, but would as soon as he could. I apologized and told him that we would be here when he was able too.

Next i went to kravin, who is a rl friend of mine, known him for 20+ years and talk to him once a week at least, who i consider a friend. And i know he loves nu as much as i do.....he was devastated at the aspect of having to pay for admin, for a community that he loves. he thought that nothing would benefit nu by him and other good admins, losing their admin...only that there would be less admin to admin the servers...which is true, but again i had lost $40.00 from two other admins, from them not paying.

All in all, I guess it was a bad decision, cause i lost two good admins. but it was something that i felt had to happen sooner or later. Do i regret it? yes...is it going to change? no. I didnt ask them for them to get mad or pissed off. It's just business, I have to do something, if not we wouldnt be here!

ps. I did not ban, kick, yell at anyone, I am not mad at anyone...and i hope you all understand why i did what i did.

I do not want to hear anyone else bad mouth anyone else, If i see this, I will remove your post from this thread. cmac had good reason, a little misguided i think, I think he feels he should have admin for free, he may be right. I had some harsh decisions to make, and i made them. I am sorry for those of you, that didnt like it.

[myst]

LOL calisse quvous etes cave

-FrencHie

[Null]

I love cmac however this is crazy. Lets look at this in perspective..lets say 3 years. 12*3*20$=720$ I think you've been paid for that map and should pay like everyone else. Look at me for example I'm currently not in a position to donate (just bought a car) however in a month I hope to be able to donate and get my admin back....no $ = No Admin

[<JohnnyBoy>]

Kids don't do drugs in school!=D

[Natalya]

The newer N00bs don't know it, but if it wasn't for the Office U server, N/U would not exist in its current form. I might not be the oldest member here, but back when I joined N/U like 3 or 4 years ago (I forget when), it was because of Office U. I would have stopped playing CS:S if not for that server. That's why it was up so long though. It's the server that started it all, and our whole community came from it. All the oldies like Vit and Thunder and Tara came from that server.

[ORGANDONOR]

hell i love that server and i loved coming in and playing with all the old heads that all you newbes dont know i was one of the old heads form that server and im still here to this day bceauce of it.

[Sajora]

and of course you forget me nat lol