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  • swimpunk

    #1

    KAC False Positive?

    April 8th, the KAC Module on the server thought I was cheating and banned me. Immediately following, the dreaded "cannot verify steam ticket ui" error reared it's ugly head.
    I followed normal procedure to fix, and remove client.blob, steamui.dll and steamclient.dll, then restarted Steam. However I was still banned.

    I submitted a protest, and was contacted by Mama, but she told me KAC was a separate system and there's nothing she can do. With her direction (thanks Mama!) I posted a forum on the KAC site, where Kigen (and his php script Check for a ban) confirmed that I'm not on the global ban-list. You can view the conversation here Kigen's Anti-Cheat • View topic - False Positive?

    As Kigen suggested, I'm now appealing on the server forums. I know the correct place is via the banlist, but since I can't add to my earlier protest, yet have new information, I thought the forums might be an appropriate area to lobby my plea.

    I feel I'm a respected player on the gun game server, have never cheated, and have no intention of ever cheating. Considering the positive comments and feedback N\U's admins have had for the plugin, and the fact that the plugin didn't add me to the global ban-list, something seems fishy about the whole ordeal.

    I'd like to request that someone with the authority check the KAC logs to see what caused the ban, and if anything looks out of the ordinary. I know cheaters ruin the game for everyone, and I value the service that KAC provides, as it makes a server that's more fun, and easier to maintain. However no code is bug-proof, and I think given the circumstances, some further investigation is warranted.

    Thanks for taking the time to read my novel of a post.
  • OttoBohn
    Immigrant
    • Nov 2007
    • 107

    #2
    No code is bug proof. The testing with this code is 99.999% accurate. Hopefully, you didn't get banned for hacking.

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    • Kill_stardotstar

      #3
      I was banned at the exact same time....


      Ban Details
      Player iKill*.*_ No Demos
      Steam ID STEAM_0:1:5728401
      Steam Community 76561197971722531
      IP address 24.240.186.161
      Invoked on 04-08-09 00:32
      Banlength Permanent
      Expires on Not applicable.
      Reason Cheating. KAC ID:5.16
      Banned from N/U [ 24/7 GunGame ] 100TIC [Stats]
      Total Bans 1 (search)
      Blocked (1) iKill*.*_

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      • swimpunk

        #4
        More Research

        I was checking a few things and it looks like in the public KAC code v1.1.8, error 5.16 accuses my sv_gravity of not being the same as what the server wants.

        Siosios, can you confirm if you're using the KAC code 1.1.8 out-of-the-box, or did you make changes? If you made changes, does a 5.16 still correspond to sv_gravity?

        If I can verify what variable KAC thinks was off, I can go to Steam and ask them what causes the "verify steam ticket ui" error, and perhaps figure out what happened to this variable.

        Also, is there a way to check the logs and see what map had just started when I was banned? If it's a gravity issue, I'm curious if the server changed the gravity on a map (for example scouts & knives), and my client didn't get the update for some reason (like steam was borked).

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        • SmurfSniper
          CaNNoN fOddEr
          Kung Fu Master
          • Oct 2008
          • 925

          #5
          just kinda curious........ the map change? was it from scoutsknives to something else??? cause whenever you rtv that map or it changes from that map there is low grav on the next map as well for a few seconds... never really thought about this until now




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          • siosios
            g0d!
            Kung Fu Master
            • Oct 2006
            • 13626

            #6
            kac is the standard 1.1.8 with no mods. the author spoke about the gravity issue somewhere in his thread for the plugin which is not favorable for people banned by KAC.

            post a thread on the sourcemod forums concerning this ban and see what he has to say.

            thanks
            sio
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            • OttoBohn
              Immigrant
              • Nov 2007
              • 107

              #7
              If I'm right, we run 24/7 scoutz knivez with it as well and if the player's gravity doesn't match the servers, the ban goes. This only happens with a program changing the client side. I'm sure Kigen will check it out

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              • Rey
                Sexiest Motha Fucka Alive
                N/U Commando
                • Feb 2008
                • 459

                #8
                If I get banned from KAC. I'm gonna visit this "Kigen" guy IRL. I'd be pissed.
                GL tho Swim. Hope you can play soon!
                DD [r] иα∂ιαٿ: and your pretty damn hot...just saying

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                • IceBitch

                  #9
                  try it now love? see if you can get in the server, ikill you too. post here if it did not work. if no work. i tryed everything i could do. sorry boys i know for a fact Swim you are a straight kid. sorry this shit happened to you. Hope it works
                  Love Mama

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                  • Kill_stardotstar

                    #10
                    I am able to get back in, thanks guys
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                    so, do you know why it banned us both?
                    Last edited by Guest; 04-10-2009, 11:49 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                    • Natalya
                      Queen of the Internet
                      Kung Fu Master
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 1879

                      #11
                      Ice Bitch unbanned you two.
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                      word jackd ת/ύ: ha the baninator and the pwninator

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                      • swimpunk

                        #12
                        Thanks Mama!

                        Works great, I just tried. I'm still curious about the sv_gravity thing... I'm going to keep digging. Haven't found that post Siosios was talking about yet, but I"ll keep looking. From now on if it chooses a map like scouts+ knives or any other w/ low-grav (that halo map? what's it's name?) I'll probably just drop.

                        Anyway, just wanted to say thanks again for looking into it, I made a donation to the server for your efforts. I've been playing here a long time, it's about time I gave something back.

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                        • IceBitch

                          #13
                          glad to have my players back. now stop hacking :P jk jk there is my Easter gift to you both\

                          no i do not know why it did that to you both either

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                          • Jackd
                            Kung Fu Master
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 1682

                            #14
                            swimpunk,

                            Thanks for the donation to the servers. I'm glad everything worked out!




                            Originally posted by swimpunk
                            Works great, I just tried. I'm still curious about the sv_gravity thing... I'm going to keep digging. Haven't found that post Siosios was talking about yet, but I"ll keep looking. From now on if it chooses a map like scouts+ knives or any other w/ low-grav (that halo map? what's it's name?) I'll probably just drop.

                            Anyway, just wanted to say thanks again for looking into it, I made a donation to the server for your efforts. I've been playing here a long time, it's about time I gave something back.
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