Getting GG populated

[vince21]

i like that stats idea. personally, i could give a rat's ass about my stats, but for those who do, changing how they get points might help. we had gg pretty full last night for a long time. it was still pretty good after i left, so it just depends on getting some ppl in there.

[SmurfSniper]

I was in there tonight before I left for work... got a little pissed after I won and a reg started trying to voteban the guy I knifed because was afk and came back right before I knifed him.... I felt like votebanning him just for being a dick and trying to voteban just because the guy got knifed.

and I think the stats are ok.... but I could care less if they are even on the server.

[vince21]

yeah, ppl will voteban for just about anything now. it's a little ridiculous. when were you on? i didn't get on last night until like 11:00 i think. fun time, fun times. like you said, i don't care about stats, but it'd be nice to find some way of having ppl just play for the fun of it, without their precious stats being affected too much.

[DoT]

Taking stats off the server would rape the player base, yeah itll stop the stat whoring (obviously) but a lot of people will leave.

-dotty

[vince21]

i posted on the "warcraft server" thread an idea i posted like a month ago. let me go grab, copy, paste it here. try and get some different opinions on it.
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shazaam. "personally, i don't think rally will ever be populated. it's a simple race mod off of cs:s that was cool to check out when it first came out, but isn't something ppl would play on a regular basis. if necessary, i can help sit in spec or whatever until others join; but i don't think that would do anything. as for office_u, i go back and forth. a lot of the regs like it and will play it, but the others don't really know about it. i mentioned it in a different thread, but my suggestion to bring popularity to ALL the servers, would be to host each server on a different night for the regs. so monday could be gg, tuesday office_u, wednesday dm, thursday office, friday mg. or something like that. on the specified nights, you would attempt to get as many regs and new ppl to join that particular server. it wouldn't be mandatory obviously (maybe for admin?) but it would be a way to get ppl to try the different servers, get to know them and hopefully play multiple servers and get their friends to play them too, thereby increasing population of all servers and the community. i thought it was a good idea, but i never really got a response on it."

[DoT]

Basically you mean invite people to play...? We do that already...

[vince21]

not invite to play really, as much as focus on specifically one server each night. instead of having different ppl try to get the same ppl to go to their server, which is usually low in population so ppl don't want to play there, have all the regs that are willing and admin and whatnot go to ONE server. ppl are more willing to go to server's that are fuller, even if they don't normally play there. changing the server each night gives "advertising" to each one allowing ppl to get to know the different servers and play some new ones. then, they might invite ppl. it's basically just a small advertising schema aimed particularly at an individual server each night.

[sean7488]

need..........higher..........stats

[Nadia]

well since a lot of us hate the fact that everyone votebans people because they get knifed and such...why not take it off? but id say keep the votekick because of when their playing and people are afk for soo long in spec and take up slots. (unless their an admin/VIP). hmm..as for maps..put them on the server anyways, like smurf said have a testing weekend that most of our regs should participate in to rate new maps. and if we like it, it stays, if not..it goes. like they said with minesweeper it eventually became a map a lot of people like now. so just give the maps a chance.

ill be honest, i hatee run n gun and weaver..but either i sit in spec and wait patiently until the maps over or i suck it up and still play because im having fun, or i leave and have someone in there let me know when map changes.

Finally, Sean i blame you ^_^ lol jkkk <3333 hahah
-sorry had to throw that out there :]

[vince21]

i like the getting rid of voteban. what would the repercussions be?

[Cogbern]

well lets see the only people that have ever gotten votebanned to my knowlage would me panda, silenced, and I, and being how panda and silenced dont play here any more I have no complaints. I dont see a situation in the future where the voteban is needed as mgungame admins are usually on. I vote get rid of it, but keep vote kick for when we try to vote map and theres ppl afk in spec.

[SmurfSniper]

dont matter who has been votebanned or who hasnt.... the fact is that when you even suggest it for something like that all you are doing is running people off. the only time voteban should be used is when an admin isnt on and someone is breaking major rules (like hacking)

[vince21]

exactly. and since there hasn't been a reason to use it recently and since cog says there's usually in-game or at least online, i think getting rid of it (at least for now) would be a good idea.

[rjk83]

I've only played a few times in the past couple weeks since things are calming down since my daughter is 6 months now and such, so forgive me if my experiences were non-typical but hopefully I can start playing regularly again. Here, again, are my thoughts.

As a precursor, Gungame server isn't really "dead" in my opinion, I've seen dead servers before and there is a vast difference between "dead" and "not as popular as it once was".

I think a fundamental problem that I disagree with is the level of "control" and granularity of the things you are talking about changing. For example, in the past few weeks when I was playing GG there was never once an admin in the server. That's not the end of the world, but the changes that have been made in the past 6-12 months make it nearly impossible for the players to manage the server in lieu of having an actual admin.


Let me give you a scenario. You and 5 guys are playing on GG server and there are about 1-3 AFK's sitting in spec. Your having fun and it's awesome. You won the last map and now the map changes to a huge map. Hey this new map is awesome but we don't have enough people for it so it gets really boring, really quickly. That's ok, lets votemap! You type in votemap and it says you need 6-7 players to pass the vote because it seems to be set at about 80-90% to pass. Oh that sucks, it is virtually impossible for me to get all players in the server to choose the same map and change it, so then, lets votekick the AFK's to see if that helps. Oh shit, we can't votekick the afk's because votekick seems to be set at like 80%+.

Well, lets just play the map through. You finish the map and the next map sucks based on your personal preference, what are you going to do? I'll tell you, about 90% of people will leave the server and go play somewhere they can have fun playing.


The moral of this story is that we have changed things so much due to fear or a complaint here and there that someone may "abuse" the system that now the system is defunct and doesn't work in ANY capacity.

I'm a conservative (republican even) and I fundamentally believe that less control and less regulations makes people happy. If there is no admin on and people can't effectively change the map with a 60-70% RTV majority, long term population is going to directly suffer. (I say RTV majority because the votemap system is flawed in the sense that 100% of the players could hate the current map, but if they can't agree on a map to change then nothing happens and again people leave). This same principle applies to votekick and voteban. Why regulate it? The "pass" rate for votekick/voteban is & should be 80-90% either way and if 80-90% of the players want to kick someone or ban them for a couple hours for some reason, then let them. Generally speaking, someone really has to be a bag of dicks to get votebanned, and even if they do, they are back in a few hours or a day.

Two things to speak to that I know will come up in response to this post are
1) the regs can be dicks and are not welcoming to new players... The solution to this is not to cripple the server via the ability for players to "self-manage", the solution is a mix between setting a standard in the server for "acceptable treatment" and growing a solid admin base that can essentially tell the reg's to STFU.
2) If someone needs an admin, there is "ALWAYS" one online that they can message. - I get this, and I probably have almost every NU admin on my friends list, and literally 50% or more of the time I was playing I didn't see anyone else on that was an admin. (late night usually as of late). More importantly, having to get out of playing and find and get in touch with an admin can be a solution, but shouldn't be the expectation or rationalization to gimp the server for fear of abuse.

I think GG server would need 3 things to get back to awesome.
1) Get rid of all of the new changes. RTV, Votemap, Votemute, etc. should ALL go back to where they were 1 year ago today.
2) Start building a strong and ACTIVE admin base that has a vested interest in the NU community and the wellbeing of the server. This is harder that it sounds obviously, but there are people out there I bet. There is a big problem with GG having a "locked down" group of regulars that are well known to not be welcoming to new players. This is where server standard and strong, active admins come into play.
3) All hands OFF deck. Getting constructive feedback from the regular players is awesome, but what I see right now is that we have too many "hands in the cookie jar". Prayerfully consider the feedback that you recieve and their impacts, but don't open it up to be a free for all bitch-fest. The admins and jr. owners should have their finger on the pulse of what is going on enough to know if something needs changed, and then you handle it "internally".
Also, while the opinion and thoughts of the admins of other NU servers are important, the GG admins and jr owners should decide what needs to happen as approved by Pasties/Sio/Jackd/Ender

These are my thoughts, not sure if anyone can make it through this whole post without falling asleep. The only other thing that I would say is that I would personally want to remove stats from the server. People get much more "serious" when stats are involved. I think that stats make a lot of sense in some servers, but I see more of a negative impact than a positive impact from stats in a GunGame environment.

Anyways. Hopefully I can have time to start playing again. I've been trying to get in to play more often and I really don't like to see GG going downhill. After all, this is a game and it is supposed to be fun and relaxing. From my experience, players don't react well to restriction with no alternatives.

Thanks,
drink_it_in

edit: Also, bots are a must have. They are invaluable in populating the server in "down" times like early mornings. The way it used to be was it had a set minimum of 4 people, if 4 players aren't on, it would load bots to meet that number. Obviously they would have to function correctly to be effective but knowing what Sio is capable of I think it would be child's play for him to fix any issues as long as he is aware of them.

[DoT]

Drink for president.

My (Predicted) Response:
- A lot of the GG admins have either left, or are active on other servers.

- Removing stats would cut our player base in half, as almost every round you see a lot of regs and players typing "rank", "place", "top10/top12" in "adminseeall" chat.

- The bots not working was the GG coding get fxed up when someone edited it. It might take recoding or a fresh install to fix, unless sio has already got that.

Other than that, I'm right behind you.

-dotty

P.S. I would really like to see you get stuck right back in where you left off at N/U, as I found that GG was best maintained while you and Smurf were Junior Owners there. As you guys were actually in there to make smart decisions. Just sayin...