Palin Interview (teehee)

[HellscreamsRage]

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[Natalya]

LOOOOOL

[zekeus]

shun the non-believer!!!! shun!! shun!!!

[pathboy]

Funny. But...I'd rather vote for her then the black guy.

Obama/Biden: Take money from the smart people who earned it, to give to the stupid, lazy, fat beggars of America. Let them eat cake!!!


If I have to vote for someone who believes in an imaginary friend, so be it.

Pathboy

[Natalya]

Looks like someone bought into neo-liberal rhetoric and the ability narrative without actually evaluating either of them...

Path you just made the sweeping suggestions that:

A: All rich people got there via hard work
B: All poor people are poor because they are lazy


Now it's a very dangerous thing to subscribe to binaries like this because of all the exceptions to the rule. Here are a bunch of people who do not fit those two categories:

- People who win the lottery and become rich without working much and were genuinely lazy.
- People born into rich families who inherited money from their parents.
- People who worked hard and got stable corporate jobs, only to learn that the company they were working for was Enron and suddenly their lives were ruined because of its collapse.
- People who were born poor, joined the armed forces becuase it was their only way out of poverty//not enough opportunities, and got PTSD from serving in Vietnam, and could never get a job again because of this, then wound up on the streets. (At least 1 in 3 homeless people are veterans. 45% of these veterans suffer from a mental illness, like PTSD)

Needless to say I could rattle off a bunch of other groups of people who are poor and were not lazy, or a bunch of people who are rich but didn't earn their wealth all by themselves. Additionally, since the 70's social programs have only been cut up by neo-liberalism (A set of economic policies which is neither new nor liberal. It's a misleading name.) while corporations have received more tax breaks and subsidies than ever before, and whole industries were privatized so now major corporations run them. 1% of the U.S. population as of March this year is either in jail or on parole, due in large part to Regan selling prisons to private corporations, then paying those corporations based on how many prisoners they have to run the facilities. This means that these companies, working FOR PROFIT, are locking people up. Therefore there is a PROFIT MOTIVE to put people in jail. If that doesn't sound fucked up to you then I don't really think I should even bother talking to you about this.

[easytarget]

Blah blah blah on both sides.

Both mainstream candidates will not do anything to help or "change" our current situation now. As crazy as he is, I'd vote for Ron Paul over any of these chumps. Just watching him chew out Allen Greenspan made me laugh so hard ("I see you have not taken my advice to resign your position"...lmao). Let's cut government spending (which neither candidate will do), decrease the deficits we have, get rid of this income tax bullshit (get flat tax or fair tax, whatever you want to call it), lead by example (take a better look at how we handled foreign policy), and get rid of our stupid social security. I am paying taxes on some retarded thing that I will never get when I am older so basically im paying for the government's overspending because they cannot comprehend the idea of a "lockbox". There are too many I.O.Us and something needs to be done by it. We need to pay off our debts because China basically has the US by the balls right now and if they want us to do something, we have to comply or they will sell off all of our bonds (which they bought because we keep selling them) and welp, there goes our currency (the dollar). Luckily for us, we buy everything from China anyways so they do not want to hurt our economy, so that is why this sustained debt is okay with the retarded mainstream candidates. So get smart and next time guys, let's get to know who will actually do something about this!

But for this time around, I think I would vote Obama because he can bring a nation together with his eloquence and demeanor. There are a shit ton of things I do not like about him but I do not trust the Republicans anymore with what they have done in the government and their overspending (my biggest issue).

~Easy

[Kumar]

- People who were born poor, joined the armed forces becuase it was their only way out of poverty//not enough opportunities, and got PTSD from serving in Vietnam, and could never get a job again because of this, then wound up on the streets. (At least 1 in 3 homeless people are veterans. 45% of these veterans suffer from a mental illness, like PTSD)

That is the VA's fault. I am ex navy and work hard for my money. I make good money and refuse to vote for a guy who has no clue how to run a military and wants to raise my taxes a cubic ass ton to pay for all of his retarded ass programs. I personally wanted Huckabee bc he supported the fair tax.

[pathboy]

"Looks like someone bought into neo-liberal rhetoric and the ability narrative without actually evaluating either of them..."

Well, actually, no. I'm a libertarian who focuses my decision based on the tax code proposal. I actually READ and figure out how much each candidate is going to cost me. I run a bussiness that employs about 12 people (all getting full benifits and health coverage I might add), and so it's just practical sense to look deeper into the issues. Obama's plan clearly states that he'll reverse the Bush tax cuts and my Federal Tax rate will go up 40% (meaning the government gets 40cents of every dollar right off the top). But that's only the start of the big screw! He's taking away the Medicare/Social Security cap (the cap which exists now means you only have to pay the 8% tax for the first 100K you make, then it goes away)! So that means everyone will have to pay the 8% tax for as much as they make. Oh yeah! It's a "matched tax" meaning your employer matches this payment to the government! Oh yeah! I'M MY OWN EMPLOYER SO I PAY BOTH HALVES! That means I get to pay the whole 15% rate for my income! Party time!

Let's recap! At this point, the Obama plan is to change my federal tax rate to 55%! State income tax anyone? Sales tax anyone? Anyone pay real estate taxes? If Obama get's elected, I'll be lucky to keep 30 cents for every dollar I make past 200K. I was thinking of expanding my bussinss (to make more money of course, but it would also create new jobs), but if Obama gets elected, forget that! Why work so hard if the government is just gonna take it away? Great! The tax plan is encourageing lazyness! Malthus was right!!!

Now for the fun part:

"People who win the lottery and become rich without working much and were genuinely lazy."
People who play and win the lottery are usually stupid. It's a 'stupid tax' if you think about it. Track them 5 years later and they're mostly divorced, poor, and owe a crap load of back taxes. Ironic, huh?

"People born into rich families who inherited money from their parents."
You got me here. But they tend to be a well educated lot? I'm sure Obama would fix this by forcing everyone to give all thier money to the government upon thier death. That'd be more fair, right?

"People who worked hard and got stable corporate jobs, only to learn that the company they were working for was Enron and suddenly their lives were ruined because of its collapse."
Get another job? Work some more? Take it from me, losing your job doesn't 'ruin' your life. Neither does a house fire that destroys everything you own. Trust me, I've been through both. Why should they get any of my money? I really don't get it.

"People who were born poor, joined the armed forces becuase it was their only way out of poverty//not enough opportunities, and got PTSD from serving in Vietnam, and could never get a job again because of this, then wound up on the streets."
I know this isn't patriotic, but in my opinion, people who join the military lack sense. I mean, this is a job where people will shoot real guns at you! I was 'born poor', grew up in a trailer park, and took the way out that is given to every American. Instead of goofing off, I studied. Itstead of going to parties on the weekends, I took a 2nd and 3rd job. I borrowed insane amounts of money to get through many, many years of school (120K to be specific). I put off all the fun things in life to work for a better life. Now Obama is telling me I have to also pay for all those who were TOO FAT, LAZY, OR STUPID to do the same. Rewarding unwise or flat out stupid behavior is conterproductive.

The really sad thing Nat is that 98% of the American people have no clue how the government works, aquires money and spends it. Democrat or Republican won't change most of the issues the left are most venting about. The war in Iraq might end, but another will take it's place. The ecomomy? It'll continue to suck for a while. How much should I have to pay? I thought last year's tax bill was my fair shair. Obama didn't think so though. He want's more.

Pathboy

PS: Who goes to prison these days anyways??? Meth addicts? Dumb asses? Don't even get me started on the prison systems. Follow the law. It's not that complicated. While you may find the fact that people profiting from running prisons offensive, I find paying for room, board, food, and cable TV for the guy that murdered my cousin equally unpalatable. Legalize marijana and we'll set free the only people I feel sorry for. The rest can rot.

[pathboy]

LOL Easy!

Another libertarian! Hallelujah! I maxed out my campaign contribution to Ron Paul! But the evil forces denied him.

Pathboy

PS: Psst! Easy! Congress controls the budget! Who controls Congress?

[easytarget]

I guess im libertarian but I do not like their candiate "Bob Barr". Who knows? I was born into a democratic family so it is a 50/50 chance I will go for Obama or Barr.

~Easy

[Kumar]

I know this isn't patriotic, but in my opinion, people who join the military lack sense.

Dont understand that part. Pretty much everything else I agree with. The only thing I didn't lack sense was partying my scholarships away. I joined the navy as a nuclear mechanic and now I'm an operator at a nuclear power plant in Florida. I like what I do and I feel I have a lot more sense then most people. Obama also doesn't support nuclear energy so therefore I dislike him more.

[pathboy]

Your right Kumar, that sounded harsh. My side point was that in our current foriegn policy stance, I don't think your average 18 yr old understand how dangerous a carreer the military is at the moment. I know tons of success stories from people that went through the military and were smart enough to opt into some of the sweeter position (or like my good friend who went to Anapolis and is a pilot now for Delta). But this path is still thick with risk. I would and do council young people I know to reconsider joining until they get their college degree first.

I almost applied myself as part of a medical scholarship but consulted a lawyer to help me understand what I was getting into. The one thing the lawyer pointed out was that once you joined and took that oath, you never could really 'leave'. Oh they might let you get on with your life, but if they REALLY need you, they have the legal right to yank yer ass back in (this has happened to surgeons in just about every major US conflict).

I like CS cause you get to respawn. Life is not so easy.

Pathboy

[Natalya]

Blah blah blah on both sides.

Both mainstream candidates will not do anything to help or "change" our current situation now. As crazy as he is, I'd vote for Ron Paul over any of these chumps.

I kinda like Ron Paul actually, but would never vote for him. I think it's great that he wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve, leave Iraq immediately, and re-open the 9/11 commission, but then at the same time he completely hates any and all social programs, so I really don't know what to say about him. If it was Ron Paul vs McSame I'd go Ron Paul any day but Ron Paul vs Obama, not so much...

PS: Psst! Easy! Congress controls the budget! Who controls Congress?

Rupert Murdock, The CFA, and David Rockefeller.

That is the VA's fault.

And who runs the VA?

I personally wanted Huckabee bc he supported the fair tax.

The Fair Tax isn't fair. :[


On to Pathboy since he quotes me a lot:

Well, actually, no. I'm a libertarian who focuses my decision based on the tax code proposal.

I didn't say you were a neo-liberal, I said that you bought into their ideas. Additionally, the libertarian party is almost synonymous with neo-liberalism anyway so you probably are one, you just don't know it. Then again you probably don't even know what Neo-Liberal actually means, and the only candidate running who isn't one is Ron Paul. Obama, McSame, Biden, Palin, Clinton, Huckabee... All neo-liberals.

I actually READ and figure out how much each candidate is going to cost me. I run a bussiness that employs about 12 people (all getting full benifits and health coverage I might add), and so it's just practical sense to look deeper into the issues. Obama's plan clearly states that he'll reverse the Bush tax cuts and my Federal Tax rate will go up 40% (meaning the government gets 40cents of every dollar right off the top). But that's only the start of the big screw! He's taking away the Medicare/Social Security cap (the cap which exists now means you only have to pay the 8% tax for the first 100K you make, then it goes away)! So that means everyone will have to pay the 8% tax for as much as they make. Oh yeah! It's a "matched tax" meaning your employer matches this payment to the government! Oh yeah! I'M MY OWN EMPLOYER SO I PAY BOTH HALVES! That means I get to pay the whole 15% rate for my income! Party time!

Let's recap! At this point, the Obama plan is to change my federal tax rate to 55%! State income tax anyone? Sales tax anyone? Anyone pay real estate taxes? If Obama get's elected, I'll be lucky to keep 30 cents for every dollar I make past 200K. I was thinking of expanding my bussinss (to make more money of course, but it would also create new jobs), but if Obama gets elected, forget that! Why work so hard if the government is just gonna take it away? Great! The tax plan is encourageing lazyness! Malthus was right!!!

If you make over (I think it's 156K, I forget), then yes vote Republican every day of the week, but for the 95% of us who don't, it's bad for us. Terrible actually. Also why would you want to pay for your employee's health care if there was an option to not pay at all because everyone got health care?

Now for the fun part:

"People who win the lottery and become rich without working much and were genuinely lazy."

People who play and win the lottery are usually stupid. It's a 'stupid tax' if you think about it. Track them 5 years later and they're mostly divorced, poor, and owe a crap load of back taxes. Ironic, huh?

No argument here.

"People born into rich families who inherited money from their parents."

You got me here. But they tend to be a well educated lot? I'm sure Obama would fix this by forcing everyone to give all thier money to the government upon thier death. That'd be more fair, right?

You actually believe that? *shoots self*

"People who worked hard and got stable corporate jobs, only to learn that the company they were working for was Enron and suddenly their lives were ruined because of its collapse."

Get another job? Work some more? Take it from me, losing your job doesn't 'ruin' your life. Neither does a house fire that destroys everything you own. Trust me, I've been through both. Why should they get any of my money? I really don't get it.

Enron was problematic because suddenly thousands of people all with the same tech skills were out of job at the same time in a tech sector economy that was already hurting because of the .com bust of the late 90's. I'm sure most of them have picked up the pieces and gotten new jobs and moved on with their lives, but it was pretty bad for them at that point since the market was flooded with people who all had the same credentials and few opportunities.

"People who were born poor, joined the armed forces becuase it was their only way out of poverty//not enough opportunities, and got PTSD from serving in Vietnam, and could never get a job again because of this, then wound up on the streets."

I know this isn't patriotic, but in my opinion, people who join the military lack sense. I mean, this is a job where people will shoot real guns at you! I was 'born poor', grew up in a trailer park, and took the way out that is given to every American. Instead of goofing off, I studied. Itstead of going to parties on the weekends, I took a 2nd and 3rd job. I borrowed insane amounts of money to get through many, many years of school (120K to be specific). I put off all the fun things in life to work for a better life. Now Obama is telling me I have to also pay for all those who were TOO FAT, LAZY, OR STUPID to do the same. Rewarding unwise or flat out stupid behavior is conterproductive.

That's just plain mean.

The really sad thing Nat is that 98% of the American people have no clue how the government works, aquires money and spends it. Democrat or Republican won't change most of the issues the left are most venting about. The war in Iraq might end, but another will take it's place. The ecomomy? It'll continue to suck for a while. How much should I have to pay? I thought last year's tax bill was my fair shair. Obama didn't think so though. He want's more.

Pathboy

PS: Who goes to prison these days anyways??? Meth addicts? Dumb asses? Don't even get me started on the prison systems. Follow the law. It's not that complicated. While you may find the fact that people profiting from running prisons offensive, I find paying for room, board, food, and cable TV for the guy that murdered my cousin equally unpalatable. Legalize marijana and we'll set free the only people I feel sorry for. The rest can rot.

You actually DO pay for room and board for prisoners. In fact you have paid more ever since Regan privatized them because, like I was saying earlier, these companies are in it for profit and the profit they get is money that the government (aka your tax dollars) sends to these companies, when it was cheaper before to do it since the government isn't in the business of locking people up for profit. And yea, legalize Marijuana. Who's business is it if people wanna do drugs? Alcohol is a drug, but no one complains about that!!

I know this isn't patriotic, but in my opinion, people who join the military lack sense.

Dont understand that part. Pretty much everything else I agree with. The only thing I didn't lack sense was partying my scholarships away. I joined the navy as a nuclear mechanic and now I'm an operator at a nuclear power plant in Florida. I like what I do and I feel I have a lot more sense then most people. Obama also doesn't support nuclear energy so therefore I dislike him more.

Actually he does. Obama just wants stricter regulations to make sure nuclear waste is tracked and stored safely and securely, to prevent spent fuel rods and other such things from ending up in the hands of terrorists, or being dumped in an environmentally degrading fashion, as was done prior to the 1970's. Now it's a little better but there are no longterm solutions for nuclear waste that have been decided upon.

[easytarget]

Nat, socialized medicine has never worked, look at Canada. They come here for service because noone can get healthcare there. Government pays for it all but everyone goes to the doctor for the littlest thing and thus, there are terribly huge lines to get any attention so people are just fed up. They rather just go to the US and pay for it.

And how is the fair tax not fair? There is no arguement there. People see the high tax rate and go OMG LOOK HOW MUCH U RAISE IT BY. But really, it saves you so much money because it does not tax anything you save. But, show me your numbers and ill show you mine.

~Easy

[soul]

easy I know a large number of people who go to canada for care from the US because they cant afford it here