POLL: Change the config back???

[Rey]

VOTE! not being racist or anything but they dont listen... Im tired of hearing regs complain cause they cade break, mic spam, ect...

[omega2058]

Re: POLL: Change the config back???

VOTE! not being racist or anything but they dont listen... that korean admin is never on and doesnt help at all... Im tired of hearing regs complain cause they cade break, mic spam, ect...

rey buddy i completely agree with you on this one, im tired of complaining and whining and nobody listens. Since the majority of koreans dont listen i do beleive this is the best possible way unless another solution is found. Also, the koreans that do have mics sometimes use there mics and play music through it when the admins arent there at night to do anything about it. My last key point would be that i dislike being called an "yankee" by a korean. im not trying to be racist, but wit that one word when the admins werent around. It was racist than 6 feet under in that server.

thanks for your time, -Omega2058-

[Natalya]

Here's what will happen if we make the server a steam server again:


1: The Koreans won't be able to join.
2: Nor will most of the other people who play on ZM.
3: ZM will revert back to what it was before November with only a few players.
4: It will lose its spot as the 13th most popular CS:S ZM server.
5: I will NOT do anything to try to get players to join the server.
6: Since the server lacks any other admins who would try to populate it, it will die.
7: You will baww that ZM is dead and ask to have it changed into something else.
8: ??????
9: Failure.


Let me explain to you my story...

January 2008
- Tara leaves. Zombie Mod is left with Random as its only Jr. Owner. It slowly loses popularity and eventually dies in April.

April 2008
- ZM is completely dead.
- Propmenu is added to the server by Siosios.

June 2008
- I am given FTP access for N/U servers. I set about trying to revive ZM.

Summer 2008
- Between June and August ZM gets some decent popularity. I play almost every day, however when me or another admin is not around, the server goes to the shitter and no1 plays.

August 2008
- I go to Canada. When I come back a couple weeks later, ZM is totally dead.
- I go back to University for the fall.

September 2008
- Kami joins as an admin.

Fall 2008
- I work hard on populating ZM. I play for most of my free time to get the server going. During the week, if we had 8 people on at any point in time, it was a good day.
- My grades began to suffer from me spending my time in the server when I should have been studying. I was the only person who populated the server on a daily basis, though Kami tried to help with that too. But by November I got worn out from constantly trying to get people in there with no real other help.

November 2008
- I am tired of trying to populate a server that remains dead without me and am ready to give up on it.
- I no-steam the server as the last resort to populate the server.
- The server explodes with players literally over night.
- I spent a couple weeks working out the bugs with the anti-cheat and the ping kicker.


That is the time line of the server. If we set the server back to normal, I will NOT spend my time trying to populate it, and without a significant time commitment from ALL other admins on the server, it will surely die. I am not going to waste my life trying to get people to join a server that for some reason does not attract players. I've tried running mostly lila panic and atix helicocksucker. I've tried cutting down the file download size to 15 MB. I've tried the public skins contest. I've tried nearly every new map released for Zombie Mod between June and December. I've tried escape maps. I've tried inviting other clans to come play on the server. I've tried posting the server IP in my maps which I release publicly and other servers play. I've tried advertising the server on different websites. I've tried sitting in the server all day every day, leaving my computer on over night to idle in it. I've tried inviting admins from other N/U servers to play in there to get the server going. I've tried adding the !weapons menu. I've tried the !propmenu. I've tried adding various other scripts to make the server more enjoyable.

I'm tired of trying. I'm done. No one else has committed half as much time to the server as I have, and yet I could not succeed in populating it. I am done. If the rest of you want to volunteer to be on the server all day every day between yourselves, go ahead. But don't count me in. I'm done. If you really want me to put it back to the way it was, I will do it, but don't come crying to me when it goes to shit.[/SOAP]

[X-Storm]

It's some great work you have done. ^^

And if people are tired of the koreans cade breaking then don't go where they go...take a way they perhaps don't know.

And mic spammers...mute them and if koreans annoy you just don't answer back and they will stop, that's what i've been doing and they don't bother me anymore.

If everybody just did those things they wouldn't complain about them.

Or simply don't play when they play.

[Natalya]

Or simply don't play when they play.

QFE

They only can play at night, otherwise it kicks them. Also, the whole don't talk to them if they're talking... ALSO TRUE

And Rey you're an admin, why don't you just ban the ones that cause problems?

[Sajora]

well guys i dont like the korean guys either
but u have to be honest without the korean guys the server would be empty
there would be no1 to play with and the server would die again and im pretty sure thats not what u want to happen right?
@rey: i know what ur talking about im also tired of them braking the rules but ur an admin so just mute/kick/ban them and i also know its annoying if u have to do that most of the time ur in the server but its the only way
thats why ur admin here
and if any1 of the regs need an admin just add them on steam and/or xfire so u can talk to them if u need them
like i said i dont like the koreans without being racist now but if we change the config back the server will probably die again and i think thats not what u want to happen right?

Saj.

[X-Storm]

Yeah Sajora i've aleady added many of the admins, and i've never seen any koreans getting banned for breaking the rules many times...simply if they break the rules they should get the same punishment as other would have.

But without the foreigners we wouldn't have a server where you almost always can play on with many players, like yesterday i had trouble getting in because there were always 38 players on.

[kamikaze_bad_ass]

OK HERE IT GOES

nat is right the server really started dying this time last year but really hit the shiter around januray 08 (altough i droped out around late october early november last year for personal reasons)

after tara left the sever got a total facelift propmenu,weapons menu, etc,etc
and from what i read nat tries everything but after tara left all the regs droped out for good except nat,juu juu, dev, and me

i come back around middle of summer of 08 and from time i come back till now i join as much as possible and play for hours straight after work but normaly noone would be on till round 7 or 8 and server would be dead during the day and like nat mentioned i would try and get ppl to join. i also apply for admin at about same time and get it a few weeks later but because my comp is old and needs a complete rebuild along with something better than the SHITTY WIRELESS I GOT i'm not able to play very much at all right now

but getting back to the subject i also don't care for the koreans cause like i pointed out earlier they break every rule in the book without regard for how other players feel most time and i have tried banning them, kicking all but of a few of em
and even muting everyone but the regs and a few others and the problem is that ya kick or ban em they just come right back or more to replace em and mutting only works temporay untill map change or more join and as far as cade breaking it's really hard for me personally to regulate cause it's not like you can just say JOHN DOE is cad breaking cause majority of there names are very simaliar maybe if we had a tranlator program to change there symbols into something we can see
as a whole they are very hard to regulate

but on the other hand i'm staddling the fence on this
i don't want the sever to die completly cause this is my home and i have played this game so long now that zm is the only version i really like
i say if people are still complaining that something still needs to be done than we need to pull toghther and figure it out together and stick with the end results

I REALLY WISHED THAT THE N00B UNLIMTED COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE WOULD DEDICATE SOME TIME TO OUR SERVER SINCE IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE but as a whole the other admins and regulars of other servers pretty much stay on there side of the tracks with a few visting every now and than manly jack'd and organ donor
but i honestly do belive that MAYBE JUST MAYBE if the OWNER'S, JR. OWNERS, OTHER ADMINS, AND REGULARS ALL PULLED TOGETHER we could maybe take the server back from the koreans hands and pull it out of the gutters since we are the ones paying for it
but i am like nat i am almost at point of washing my hands of the whole damn thing and just doing what i have to do when i'm in server for me personally to be able to enjoy it!! and i'm pretty sure most of the other admins and nat feel the same way AND SAYING TO HELL WITH IT!!

SO HERE'S MY CUE:
LIKE NAT MENTIONED EITHER A.LEAVE SERVER AS IS AND either don't play when there on or just do what you have to do to enjoy the game and get a admin in if necassary to regulate as best as he or she possibly can.

or B.CHANGE SERVER BACK but be ready for the blood sweat and tears that it will problay take FROM NOT JUST THE ADMINS AND REGULARS OF ZM BUT OF THE N00B UNLIMITED COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE to keep it afloat and to bring fresh new faces and peronallty to the server and new ideas OTERWISE IT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME BUT EVENTULLY IT WILL DIE AND BE TURND INTO SOMETHING ELSE OR THROWN AWAY COMPLETELY

SO I SAY IF YA ARE REALLY TIRED OF THE KOREANS THAN STAND UP AND FREAKING DO SOMETHING BOUT IT OTHERWISE SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP !!!!!

[Rey]

It's some great work you have done. ^^

And if people are tired of the koreans cade breaking then don't go where they go...take a way they perhaps don't know.

They follow you every round, their like fuckin sheep...

And Rey you're an admin, why don't you just ban the ones that cause problems?

I can only ban for so long and half the time the ban doesnt work. I use the sm_super menu, most of the time i get get an "sm_banip failed" Also some of em have names like "R0x0r" and there is 3-4 of em... so cant ban them because you get "More than one player with this name" ...

[Natalya]

Yeah Sajora i've aleady added many of the admins, and i've never seen any koreans getting banned for breaking the rules many times...simply if they break the rules they should get the same punishment as other would have.

TBH I ussually give them harsher punishments...

Also, Sajora is one of the "foreigners" who plays on N/U.

I REALLY WISHED THAT THE N00B UNLIMTED COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE WOULD DEDICATE SOME TIME TO OUR SERVER SINCE IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE but as a whole the other admins and regulars of other servers pretty much stay on there side of the tracks with a few visting every now and than manly jack'd and organ donor

You can't honestly blame them for not playing on ZM. It's completely different from all the other N/U servers and attracts a different demographic of players. Also, ZM is not the only server in trouble. We might have a serious admin shortage, but look at Office U... That server needs help more I'd say than does ZM.

but i honestly do belive that MAYBE JUST MAYBE if the OWNER'S, JR. OWNERS, OTHER ADMINS, AND REGULARS ALL PULLED TOGETHER we could maybe take the server back from the koreans hands and pull it out of the gutters since we are the ones paying for it
but i am like nat i am almost at point of washing my hands of the whole damn thing and just doing what i have to do when i'm in server for me personally to be able to enjoy it!! and i'm pretty sure most of the other admins and nat feel the same way AND SAYING TO HELL WITH IT!!

SO HERE'S MY CUE:
LIKE NAT MENTIONED EITHER A.LEAVE SERVER AS IS AND either don't play when there on or just do what you have to do to enjoy the game and get a admin in if necassary to regulate as best as he or she possibly can.

Note to everyone:
We (Me and Random) are actively trying to get more admins so that the server can be policed more, so it's not like we're sticking our heads in the sand and doing nothing... It just takes some time.

They follow you every round, their like fuckin sheep...

I can only ban for so long and half the time the ban doesnt work. I use the sm_super menu, most of the time i get get an "sm_banip failed" Also some of em have names like "R0x0r" and there is 3-4 of em... so cant ban them because you get "More than one player with this name" ...

The sheep comment is true.


@sm_banip...

I posted a thread in admin chat that explains how to deal with these situations... For targeting players when they have similar names, type status in console and get their player number. It will be the first thing before their name, for example it might look something like:

# 284 Natalya[AF] STEAM_0:6263457266585

Well, if you wanted to kick me but there was also some jerk:

# 312 (1)Natalya[AF] STEAM_0:84667567327

You would use:

sm_kick #284 "Mic Spamming"

This would kick me not the (1) person. And yes, no space between the # and the number, even though it shows up with a space on the status list.


If you get "sm_banip Failed." then here's what you do...

Go to console, type sm_plist or in game type !players and then look at your console. You should see a similar list. It might be like this:

2. R0x0r STEAM_0:0:0 75.255.01.69

Just copy//pasta this and then go to n00bunlimited Bans and under admin panel, click the red X that says bans, and add the ban. Just select to ban by IP not Seam ID from the drop-down.

[Jackd]

To all the Zombie server regs:

Please add me on xfire: tomca631 or add me to your steam friends.

I do not play zombie mod that often but I do pop in the server if I don't see an admins playing in there from time to time.

Xstorm and Juu Juu have already added me.

As long as I'm sitting in front of my comp. I am happy to help.

Also you should log into our Ventrilo server. All of the N/U admins hang out in there. If an admin does not have access on zombie server they will be able to find someone who does.

Thanks!

[kamikaze_bad_ass]

ok 2 quick points
#1 i always use the sm_super menu to kick or mute players and i almost always use the sm_plist than ban website to do bans especally on the koreans and other foreigners

#2 as far as tring to get the other owners to play in zm or tring to twist there arms thats not what i'm tring to do and i do understand that not everyone likes the server but what i am tring to do is to get everyone in the community to open there eyes and see that we have a problem admist our community of servers and for us to pull together as a whole instead of what i think we are consitered as to the other servers as "The Misfits" or "The Nerds" where we only have a few that care to get everyone involed and to work out a solution to solve this problem that everyone can live with
because as it stands right now we only got bout 5 to 6 admins and bout 10 to 20 regulars that seem to care bout the server at all instead of having bout a 100 or so give or take of admins and regulars that try to help in one way or another

a quick side note the reason i an't been on a whole lot in last 2 weeks is my wireless has went to the wayside in game but i plan on getting my own personal DSL service in bout one week give or take so hopefully i will be on more than
but if any regs need me just hit me up and i will try and fix prob but i just can't really play

[omega2058]

Here's what will happen if we make the server a steam server again:


1: The Koreans won't be able to join.
2: Nor will most of the other people who play on ZM.
3: ZM will revert back to what it was before November with only a few players.
4: It will lose its spot as the 13th most popular CS:S ZM server.
5: I will NOT do anything to try to get players to join the server.
6: Since the server lacks any other admins who would try to populate it, it will die.
7: You will baww that ZM is dead and ask to have it changed into something else.
8: ??????
9: Failure.


Let me explain to you my story...

January 2008
- Tara leaves. Zombie Mod is left with Random as its only Jr. Owner. It slowly loses popularity and eventually dies in April.

April 2008
- ZM is completely dead.
- Propmenu is added to the server by Siosios.

June 2008
- I am given FTP access for N/U servers. I set about trying to revive ZM.

Summer 2008
- Between June and August ZM gets some decent popularity. I play almost every day, however when me or another admin is not around, the server goes to the shitter and no1 plays.

August 2008
- I go to Canada. When I come back a couple weeks later, ZM is totally dead.
- I go back to University for the fall.

September 2008
- Kami joins as an admin.

Fall 2008
- I work hard on populating ZM. I play for most of my free time to get the server going. During the week, if we had 8 people on at any point in time, it was a good day.
- My grades began to suffer from me spending my time in the server when I should have been studying. I was the only person who populated the server on a daily basis, though Kami tried to help with that too. But by November I got worn out from constantly trying to get people in there with no real other help.

November 2008
- I am tired of trying to populate a server that remains dead without me and am ready to give up on it.
- I no-steam the server as the last resort to populate the server.
- The server explodes with players literally over night.
- I spent a couple weeks working out the bugs with the anti-cheat and the ping kicker.


That is the time line of the server. If we set the server back to normal, I will NOT spend my time trying to populate it, and without a significant time commitment from ALL other admins on the server, it will surely die. I am not going to waste my life trying to get people to join a server that for some reason does not attract players. I've tried running mostly lila panic and atix helicocksucker. I've tried cutting down the file download size to 15 MB. I've tried the public skins contest. I've tried nearly every new map released for Zombie Mod between June and December. I've tried escape maps. I've tried inviting other clans to come play on the server. I've tried posting the server IP in my maps which I release publicly and other servers play. I've tried advertising the server on different websites. I've tried sitting in the server all day every day, leaving my computer on over night to idle in it. I've tried inviting admins from other N/U servers to play in there to get the server going. I've tried adding the !weapons menu. I've tried the !propmenu. I've tried adding various other scripts to make the server more enjoyable.

I'm tired of trying. I'm done. No one else has committed half as much time to the server as I have, and yet I could not succeed in populating it. I am done. If the rest of you want to volunteer to be on the server all day every day between yourselves, go ahead. But don't count me in. I'm done. If you really want me to put it back to the way it was, I will do it, but don't come crying to me when it goes to shit.[/SOAP]

dang, then keep the config the same, all we can do now is stay away from where they go. I never knew an a**load of effort and work was used to make the n/u servers popular as ever. Its best to keep them like they are. Too much work was put into it by natalya... Also, i wont be able to play if the server is steam so yea.

[bmwong620]

I must be one of the few that are regulars on the server. Koreans make the server boom with people and won't bother you if they don't follow you. Muting them is a great way of stopping mic spammers. Going back to the old way would just destroy this server's rank and popularity. I must say i'm beginning to enjoy the koreans are free kills because they're not as smart as us and just follow you.
RawR-B | Cardmaster

[RandomHero]

Also, if you are having problems banning someone and cant seem to figure it out, and Natalya or me is on, we can ban them via HLSW if you just let us know.